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The Lean Post / Articles / Getting the Most Out of the 5 Whys

Getting the Most Out of the 5 Whys

Operations

Getting the Most Out of the 5 Whys

By Emmanuel Jallas

November 6, 2013

Are your 5 Whys leading you to dead ends? Emmanuel Jallas has some advice on how to really get to the root of the problem.

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The 5 whys is one of the most well-known and popular lean tools, and it’s also one of the trickiest. 

If we aren’t careful, it can end in a vicious circle, a continuous loop of why’s and because’s answering each other. Instead of getting us to the root cause, it can just end up feeling like a dead end.

In a recent workshop, I was explaining how to use the 5 whys effectively. We discussed a real life situation a particular company was facing, in which the customer received the wrong product model. In our trail to the root cause we were quickly stopped by the statement, “The warehouseman didn’t apply the standard.” This wasn’t a suitable answer though, because apart from the occasional saboteur, which wasn’t the case here, people don’t commit mistakes deliberately. TPS thinking tells us, “If the problem happened, this is only because it could.” In other words, if someone turned right instead of left, this is only because this person could (you have to prevent the person from being able to turn right).

Maybe your 5 whys process recreates this same vicious circle, focusing on one faulty worker. The first of the 4 M’s, Manpower, is often the scapegoat of our attempts at root cause analysis. So, what do we do? Do we discard the 5 whys methodology, as it brings us to dead ends or to blaming people most of the time?

The most known 5 whys example is Taiichi Ohno’s. Notice that this example doesn’t end in a vicious circle, like this: Why doesn’t the pump circulate enough oil? Because there isn’t enough in oil pan. Why isn’t there enough oil in oil pan? Because the pump is not circulating enough oil, and oil return is poor. Nor does it end in blaming people, like this: Why doesn’t the pump circulate enough oil? Because the operator didn’t put enough oil, and didn’t pay attention to oil level and pressure.

Remember in our scenario, we had initially arrived at a dead end, too: “The warehouseman didn’t apply the standard. We have to explain him why this standard is important, and how to apply it.”

So what are Taiichi Ohno’s secrets to drive the 5 whys more rigorously than us, eventually leading to the real root cause?

Here are two tips for how to avoid a dead end situation:

A) If you get into a vicious circle between why and because, or you end up with something like, “We must raise people’s awareness about standards,” you aren’t at the root cause. Simply start over, try again, and consider new points of view.

B) Go to the gemba and follow the footsteps of the person closest to the work. Follow the standard process for doing the work and ask other problem solving group members to watch you carefully. You’ll quickly see where the standard fails. This is no more than the TPS principle of “Go see… again!” but instead of focusing on manpower, you’re focusing on the other 3Ms: Material, Methods, and Machines.

So what happened with our real life scenario with our warehouseman? In the end, we discovered that the products weren’t identified singly, only their location was labeled. This could not possibly prevent mix ups. So the correct countermeasure wasn’t to teach the warehouseman how to do his job again, but to provide him with a device with which to identify each product upon arrival in the warehouse. This process fix became the new standard and the problem was solved, but after very carefully applying the 5 whys process.

What are your tips for making sure the 5 whys works for you?

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Emmanuel Jallas

About Emmanuel Jallas

Emmanuel Jallas holds a master degree in mechanical engineering, teaches lean thinking and practice at the university level, and is a lean coach on the shopfloor. After 10 years in various operational positions in mechanics, plastics, and factories’ equipment, Jallas has evolved to consulting (7 years) and teaching (6 years).

Jallas is a founder of Institut Lean France, a Lean Institut France board member, and the translator of the LEI workbook Creating a Continuous Flow, among other books and articles. In 2012 he created a regional business club dedicated to Lean which hosts lean conferences five times per year and leads gemba walks with member companies. He loves learning about Lean and is fond of TPS.

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