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Diving Deeper into the Toyota Way: A Podcast with Jeff Liker

Executive Leadership

Diving Deeper into the Toyota Way: A Podcast with Jeff Liker

By Jeffrey Liker

January 25, 2021

Professor Jeff Liker discusses the new, second edition of his classic book The Toyota Way on WLEI, the LEI podcast.

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Professor Jeffrey Liker’s The Toyota Way: 14 Management Principles From the World’s Greatest Manufacturer has proved to be one of the most influential books of the lean movement—and beyond. He has just published a revised second edition of this classic resource that brings new thinking and context to his explanation of what makes this system so dynamic and enduring. Liker explains his emphasis on what scholar Takahiro Fujimoto calls its “superior evolutionary learning capability,” providing more grit and clarity on topics such as its organic (not mechanistic) nature. Listen to him discuss these topics with LEI Senior Editor Tom Ehrenfeld in this new edition of the WLEI podcast.

Here are some highlights from this conversation:

“If you’re interested in contributing to society, you have to think long-term…A company’s reason to invest in its people is because they’re thinking about the long-term, and there may not be an immediate financial return for a unit of employee training. But they believe that developing employees is the key to having better products, and customers being more willing to be a customer for life.”

“The purpose of Hoshin Kanri for Toyota is to have a line direction, because they have worked hard at developing people who can continuously improve, and who have the skills of continuous improvement. There’s energy and competence to work toward goals. Once you have that, then the question is how do you align those goals like a laser beam, and focus the energy? That becomes very powerful when it’s focused on specific challenges, specific goals.”

“At Toyota people development and process improvement go hand in hand.”

“Taiichi Ohno was a natural teacher. And he figured out that people are going to learn by doing and struggling. And he would put his students in difficult positions, with a seemingly impossible challenge, and then he’d let them struggle.”

“For Toyota, NUMMI was not setting up a plant to make cars, it was setting up a laboratory in the natural environment of the United States, in order to learn.”

“If the world is really complex, you might think I need an equally complex set of tools to address it. Whereas Toyota’s common sense is, if the world’s very complex, I better have a very simple set of tools, because I don’t want to have complexity trying to change complexity.”

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Jeffrey Liker

About Jeffrey Liker

Dr. Jeffrey K. Liker is Professor of Industrial and Operations Engineering at the University of Michigan, owner of Liker Lean Advisors, LLC,  Partner in The Toyota Way Academy, and Partner in Lean Leadership Institute. Dr. Liker has authored or co-authored over 75 articles and book chapters and eleven books.

He is author of the international best-seller, The Toyota Way: 14 Management Principles from the World’s Greatest Manufacturer, McGraw-Hill, 2004 which speaks to the underlying philosophy and principles that drive Toyota’s quality and efficiency-obsessed culture. The companion (with David Meier) The Toyota Way Fieldbook, McGraw Hill, 2005 details how companies can learn from the Toyota Way principles. His book with Jim Morgan, The Toyota Product Development System, Productivity Press, 2006, is the first that details the product development side of Toyota. Additional books in The Toyota Way Series are (with David Meier), Toyota Talent: Developing exceptional people the Toyota Way (May, 2007), (with Michael Hoseus) Toyota Culture: The Heart and Soul of the Toyota Way (January, 2008), (with Gary Convis) The Toyota Way to Lean Leadership (2012), (with James Franz) The Toyota Way to Continuous Improvement (2012), (with Tim Ogden) Toyota Under Fire  (2012), and (with George Trachilis) Developing Lean Leaders The Toyota Way  (2014). His articles and books have won eleven Shingo Prizes for Research Excellence and The Toyota Way also won the 2005 Institute of Industrial Engineers Book of the Year Award and 2007 Sloan Industry Studies Book of the Year.

In 2012 he was inducted into the Association of Manufacturing Excellence Hall of Fame. He is a frequent keynote speaker and consultant. Recent clients include Caterpillar, Applied Materials, Siemens, Dover Industries, Kraft-Oscar Meyer, Alcatel-Lucent, Hertz, Solar Turbine, Art Van Furniture, and Henry Ford Health Systems.

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